User talk:Kai Burghardt

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About redirects and renamings

Hello! You moved pade Inc to Inc and Dec and made redirect from Dec. Please be more careful when do renamings and redirects. You need remember three things when going to do things like these.
That three things are:

  • Templates
  • Languages
  • Categories

Try click on this links and see language bar and categories:

Try click English, see language bar and categories again and try return to Russian via language bar.

I think that better is to return all as it was before. Link to page Inc and Dec may be added to "See also" of English version of Inc and Dec.

FTurtle (talk) 22:31, 26 May 2018 (CEST)

Err, I don't quite understand your problem. Yes, you can navigate from the Russian to English page covering the same topic. The other way around (navigating from the English to the Russian page) does not work, since there's no page Inc and Dec/ru (yet). So?
You wanna tell me that once created structures are set in stone, or what? No, that's definitely not the case. You do agree with me, that duplicate contents are bad, don't you? Especially such things as inc and dec that are implemented by the same compiler code.
In general, the whole wiki – its multi-language “support” – is poorly maintained. The whole thing with (language bar) templates is/was an approach from 2005, but MediaWiki has evolved since and does have (with proper extensions/configuration enabled) sophisticated multi-language support. If we only were using it, the issue would, well, not disappear, but shift to other areas.
Kai Burghardt (talk) 01:04, 27 May 2018 (CEST)

There is a big difference between and
For understand it just see the lists of active users.
The current system of navigation may be better or worse, but it is such as it is.
When you do something you should not break existing navigation.
If your changes broke something, you should fix it. The result after your intruding should be workable.
You should not say: "Later someone will come who knows Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. and fix pages in appropriate languages".
In case with Inc/Dec this principle will be met if to change redirections to simple links.

FTurtle (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2018 (CEST)

I have difficulties understanding you. What am I supposed to deduce from Special:ActiveUsers?
I didn't break anything. A #REDIRECT always shows “Redirected from <lemma>” in the top line, whereas your see-…-link does not,
  • resulting in a worse user experience (since it requires a deliberate action [clicking/following the link]),
  • appears as “link” in Special:WhatLinksHere/Inc and Dec (that's sub-optimal)
  • and last but not least does not (really) promote the change, that Inc and Dec should be merged in one page.
It de facto is not possible to propagate any change following your policy. Take Wikipedia: The contents of various language pages associated with one WikiData entity do differ, and sometimes there's only a unidirectional language-link available.
Since it is possible and the current workflow (though I don't like it), I can (or you) simply edit/create the templates Inc, Dec and Inc and Dec setting up proper #switch-statements. But it's bothersome, prone to mistakes, and there are better approaches as I mentioned earlier.
The situation is pretty … unsatisfactory. Kai Burghardt (talk) 16:44, 30 May 2018 (CEST)